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Originally posted by Justin La Plante:
Well the idea for HMOs is that they keep you in debt so you can't deviate as a customer.
So they throw a few thousand dollars of co-pay at you to keep you in check.
You either have to work out a debt plan with them or take out a loan on something to sink your earnings more.
That keeps you in line because you will be making and saving less over all so you can never get a better coverage plan.


I'm about to get a MUCH better plan soon. I work for the JCPS. Once my probation period ends we are getting rid of hub's insurance. It's not even the insurance company that bites it's the plan his work picked. I hate it and it's gone as soon as my probation is up. The best part is they will go back to my hire date.

Don't let this get mix up though with other insurance for JCPS. Teacher insurance is not the same as mine. There are several insurance plans. Some are strictly for teacher's,some strictly for the Nutrition staff,for Custodians,and so on.
 
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Funnier that you should mention Clinton.
Clinton actually took a firm hand with China and the free trade agreements, his administration warned REPEATEDLY about N. Korea and the Taliban (while a certain Texas Governor openly invites them HERE for a friendly visit) and the accusations that he ever got financial support from the Chinese government were just as fruitless as the search for WMDs in Iraq.
It just doesn’t pay to be polarized by tabloid.
These are serious issues with a very serious impact.

Here is a very simple illustration of how administrations have affected our economy.

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Key=
U.S. president-Party-Term years-Start debt/GDP*--End debt/GDP*-Increase debt ($T)-Increase debt/GDP
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Nixon/Ford
R 1973-1977 35.7% 35.8% 0.19 +0.1%
Jimmy Carter
D 1977-1981 35.8% 32.6% 0.18 -3.2%
Ronald Reagan
R 1981-1985 32.6% 43.9% 0.65 +11.3%
Ronald Reagan
R 1985-1989 43.9% 53.1% 1.04 +9.2%
George H. W. Bush
R 1989-1993 53.1% 66.2% 1.40 +15.1%
Bill Clinton
D 1993-1997 66.2% 65.6% 1.12 -0.6%
Bill Clinton
D 1997-2001 65.6% 57.4% 0.42 -8.2%
George W. Bush
R 2001-2005 57.4% 64.3% 1.15 +6.9%
George W. Bush
R 2005-2009 projection 64.3% 68.2% projection +3.9% projection

The numbers don’t lie.
During each democratic administration national debt was lowered while during each republican administration (since Nixon) the national debt has only increased while any progress was disrupted entirely.
Imagine if you were sitting at the board room table across from Trump with these kinds of numbers in front of you.
Who is going to get fired?
Until Nixon, Republicans could actually balance a budget.
Funny that Nixon was the first of the “new-Conservatives” to take an administration in that true William F. Buckley spirit and the differences between every GOP cabinet since as apposed to all those before.
The same goes for the Democrats but in their case it all has to do with bad military decisions and the conversion from the “know nothing attitude” to the “people’s party attitude”.

There happen to be millions of people living on and even below minimum wage in this country.
It may not be the standard YOU prefer but they are living and law abiding.
It all goes back to that right of choice and responsibility we have as Americans.
How exactly is someone NOT supposed to resort to crime when there is no work?
Do you actually mean victimless offenders SHOULD all be in prison just because they can’t get jobs?
Without any real health care in this country, it makes being jobless a rather desperate situation.
Especially if you happen to have a family.

I’m not saying that you don’t know but it DOES cost us all A LOT of money to house people in prisons. Depending on the state, it is anywhere from $250 to $600 PER PERSON, per day.
At that rate, we simply can’t afford it for very much longer. I know I’m sick of paying for it when most of these people should be out and working.

While there is plenty of blame to go around for who buys what, you have to factor in that as a country, we rank lower in education then some 3rd world nations.
That kind of social defect translates to a significantly dangerous level of ignorance and apathy.
While we have the freedom to be uneducated, at the very least, we should have leaders in office who can try to aid the problem rather then take advantage of it.
Especially when it is very clear that taking advantage of it will ruin our economy in the long run.
The government should not hand out tax breaks or pass legislation that favors one market over another. Especially a foreign market.
THAT is big government. The exact thing Republicans always cry about being against.
This is supposed to be a country of FREE enterprise, not specialized or special interest enterprise.

At the very least, if you want to hand out economic power with political backing, tax cuts and trade deals then why not do it in the interest of the American made product?

Back to healthcare (I left that out of the last post),
It is a huge issue that we allow people to die in this country of easily curable ailments.
Cuba is a third world ghetto yet their average citizens live three years longer then ours simply because they can have their health regularly policed.
Preventative medicine is another factor of a health economy in the nations beating out our market center as well.
Healthy people work like horses.
When you don’t have that monkey on your back 24/7, it does make life a lot easier.
The last insurance policy I was offered in my last stateside job was a joke.


I'm not reading all that. lol

If you think Clinton's role in China affairs was less damaging than the republicans on either side of his "regime" (your word), then maybe you're on Johnny Chung's payroll too. Bill's 'hardline' approach to addressing the humanitarian issues there amounted to a verbal denunciation and then it was open trading not long afterward. "Oh and here's some chips for your weather satellites which also guide your nuclear missiles."

Why? Because Clinton saw the same thing the other presidents did: Improving the economy in China is a quicker route to improving humanitarian issues than trade sanctions. Now you fault Reagan and Bush for doing exactly what Clinton did. True, Billy started off with sanctions, but he changed his tune and granted China Most-Favored-Nation trade status.

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The spectacle of Clinton's confused and incoherent China policy should never be repeated. America cannot afford to allow such policy confusion to undermine its leadership in Asia or in other regions. There is an important lesson to learn from Clinton's flip-flop on China policy: There is no substitute for presidential leadership. Being President entails making politically difficult choices to insure that all of America's interests in Asia are protected. On critical issues such as relations with China, the President must constantly navigate among competing demands such as human rights, trade, and potential regional con- flicts. Clinton's failure to decide on a balanced China policy last year was the principal cause of this year's embarrassing policy reversal. Now that he has admitted his failure, the President can begin restoring some of the credibility which he- and the country-have lost over the past year.

-Richard D. Fisher, Jr. Acting Director, Asian Studies Center

Source: http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/bu225.cfm

Edit: Oh yeah.. the topic. Ummm.. I think Ralph Nader is the democratic choice when it comes to health care. Democrats unite! Vote Nader!
 
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I'm not reading all that.


You talk about fairness and treating conversations with respect.
I read all of your posts and I even check your sources.

Like this one:
Source:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/bu225.cfm

You might want to fact check that source and take a closer look at the writing style in the article.
This is a tabloid peice.
These “experts” they have listed are only considered “experts” by this heritage foundation itself.
But no where else.
Their credentials are only relative to their partisan affiliations at best.
Peter Brooks is a Bush Cabinet member and his book “A Devil's Triangle” is a trashy tabloid piece.
He holds no education outside of the military and absolutely no official schooling in journalism.
He is currently (as in NOW) pursuing a Doctorate at Georgetown University.
OH stop the presses, this guy is actually in school NOW and he is going to Georgetown (of all places) for a doctorate.
OH WAIT, it gets better. He is a policy writer for the RNC.
Of course he is going to write a trash piece about Clinton.
You might as well have used an article from freeRepublic.

If I wanted to side with the liberals or the conservatives, I would be called an “Expert”, as well.
An actual source that provides the kind of information you are trying to present comes from actual results.
Financial numbers, actual field assessments and NON-PARTISAN SOURCES.
Wave3 has published tabloid but in their method they omit certain facts and when they want to project a biased opinion, they use the verbiage to get around any statement that could be concluded as their own.
Just like CNN or Fox.

On the same principal, I wouldn’t trust one word that Hillary Clinton had to say about Bill Clinton either.
Because it would obviously be partisan and tabloid in nature.

Clinton was fair handed with china and he wasn’t giving N. Korea and inch outside of utilizing China to keep a leash on them.
BUSH just came in and blasted away any leverage we had with China’s market center and then he hands out FREE OIL to N. Korea as a bribe to not develop WMDs.
Well, we just got done invading Iraq when we knew they didn’t have WMDs and N. Korea is still developing nukes and delivery systems regardless of our bribe.
Why wouldn’t they.
This idiot just handed them Billions in free oil as a bribe while his own country gets jacked on old prices and our military is still over stretched on Iraq.

Now they KNOW they are dealing with a pansy. They will do what ever they want along with China.
Because they see us as a joke now.
Because of how Bush has handled it, Just what kind of Leverage do we have with either of them now?

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ohhh! NOW you want a fair and unbiased review lol.

Trash piece or not, Clinton flip-flopped on his approach to China. The 'hardline' you spoke of concerning Clinton's dealings with China was short lived at best. After that, most favored nation status... even tho the human rights issues had not been corrected.

And let's not pretend we don't recognize the differences between iraq and north korea. North Korea wasn't in constant violations of UN resolutions resulting from an invasion and a conditional agreement for the initial cease fire. Diplomacy was still a viable function in getting North Korea to comply, therefore if an "oil bribe" avoided military conflict then so be it. If anything, Clinton's lack of action in correcting Saddam's violations is a direct cause of why we're there today. Had Saddam been dealt with appropriately during the Clinton "regime", Afghanistan would have been the only place we needed to attend to. And had Clinton dealt with Osama when he had the chance, we wouldn't have even needed to go there.

See how that works? Bush was in office for what? 6 months when 9/11 happened? Do you realize where that places all of the training and planning and recruiting osama did in preparation for Sept 11? Squarely during the Clinton administration. So was Clinton more distracted with giving out Most Favored Nation trade status with China or with matters in the oval office? Nobody really knows.... all we do know is Bush inherited a terroristic mess which could have been avoided by proper leadership during the Clinton administration.

Your bias is showing again. Remember how you don't like it when it is a bias against clinton? It's just as unwelcome when you're trying to build a case to support him.

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ohhh! bla bla....


Are you actually trying to asses 9/11 and the last iraq invasion?!!
I'm sorry, what was your branch and service number again?

And Once again, partisanship has ruined your argument.
I've NEVER sided with how the UN does things.
It was Clinton who had BETTER judgement then the UN when he ordered missle attacks on every known terrorist training center between Pakistan and Afganistan. None of the conservative partisans are ever to quick to remember that.
Of course the U.N. and hard line liberals cried about it latter.
It was also the UN who turned a blind eye to N. Korea while they were doing actual WMD development and violating more UN human rights mandates thet Iraq.
Clinton never followed that thinking though.

At the end of his term Clinton had the joint cheifs and the CIA on notice about the Taliban and Ossama bin ladden.
Which is what lead to the security update Bush was handed by the CIA at the begining of his term while he was on that 40 day vacation.
There is a picture of them actually handing it to him while he was playing golf.
'Ossama' (former CIA op) and 'Hijacked planes' were all topics of that report.
Because of the 9/11 commision WE ALL KNOW THIS.
When they asked Rice what the contents of that some report were she admited that as well but also admited that notning was done in affect to that information.
I'm prety sure Rice was never in Clinton's cabinet.
Bush even knows this and will not deny it.

Where have YOU been?

Have you even looked at the exact policy issues bettween Clinton and Bush as far as dealing with trade?
With China Clinton never allowed any compleate tariff lifts on any goods.
He knew that trade could be relaxed but he never let them trade entirely for free without some kind of return and a fair market face for OUR market center.
He kind of had his hands tied by a trend set with a certain set of trade agreements passed by another president.
At least he made an effort to honor another president's work despite political lines.
I notice that modern partisans such as yourself never want to talk about the current relationship bettween Bush Sr. and Clinton or the economic developments between the two.
Bush Jr. had tarriffs dropped entirely in some cases and our market center has no leverage to even remain on the trade floor in China because he lifted world banking mandates.
Oh, before I forget, wonder if you could help me on this one.
Who was it from Bush's cabinet that got a job with World bank?
OH, and what did that guy end up doing with his job again?

That was all China needed as far as trade leverage.

While we are on the subject,
Lets just look at that national debt history by president (you asked for it):
Current National Debt-(as of 1:45pm today) $9,387,047,565,700 (as of that second).

From 1950 to 1981 National debt only dropped to the end of Carter's term.
The only up spikes during that time were at 10% during LBJ and Nixon.
By the middle of Regan's first term the debt had begun a constant spike on an average of 10% per term all the way up to the begining of Clinton's term.
By the end of Clinton's second term we had our first surplus (not debt) since the end of Carter's term.
At the begining of Bush Jr.'s term we lost our surplus and began to climb at at rate of 10% per term again.

Source:

whitehouse.gov

Current link fiscal 2007:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Numbers, they don't lie.

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