None of the troops were forced to join.

The economy will bounce back.

The sky is not falling.

Tell that to the Canadians.
Their dollar happens to be worth more then ours right now.
Last month, for the first time in ten years, I did my exchange on the American side of the border when RETURNING to the states.
The Canadians are NOT enjoying this development by the way. They have been more interested in independent market strength rather then this open bleeding into other market centers, which leads to indentured economies among capitalist nations. Actually the Quebecers lead the front in that aspect but Quebec is about to become a power authority so the rest of Canada will most likely follow suit despite their latest PM.
If we sink, it will cause a significant strain on their economy as well.
Especially when more Americans start jumping the border for land and jobs.

We aren’t about to enter a depression, WE are entering an indentured economic block.
With out richest 10% now investing more in foreign markets and that number increasing exponentially we will end up with an ultra rich class that makes their primary returns from foreign market centers and outsourcing within this remaining decade.
Our working class is going to do nothing but suffer from now on.
Because of the attitude and poor foresight of the socialists and pseudo-anarchists in this country, they have actually promoted world trade among these trade negotiators and international firms (like WTO) .
Which has lead to a lack of education and foresight among the general population.
It’s pretty hard to see things clearly when the opposition is nothing more then a rabble of smelly week-end protesters who throw rocks and wear masks.

That new Republican youth chant we have been hearing so much of lately:

“Join us now or work for us latter.”

Is fast becoming a reality.
Which is amazing because, in it’s conception the Republican Party was formed in rural Wisconsin of all places. Some of their earliest legislation was to fight the Democrats on things like ‘Manifest destiny’, segregation and unfair trade practices.
Strange how the party has shifted since the late 1800’s.
Seriously,
Why else would Halliburton have moved their headquarters to the UAE?
THIS is terrorism at work in America today. Ossama must be loving this.
We have fallen for it every step of the way and we keep falling for it.


The troops do what they do because there are Americans who want to serve.
Funny how the majority serving always come from the working class. I myself consider the working class to be the heart of America as apposed to a geographical situation or political affiliation.
The military is like a loaded gun. It isn’t the fault or sin of the bullets or the gun maker if a crime is committed with the weapon.
Unfortunately, our military rests on singular control, which often and most definitely in this case, translates to regime control.

The regime is flawed, so we will change it soon. Unfortunately, the mess has already been made and as time has told, corporations always move faster then government.
The regime and the corporations have a package deal here. While rats like Halliburton jump ship for the UAE, the regime hands over our debt to China (China now holds 80% of US national debt) and shuffles off what is left of our market center to the rest.

How does any of that help people who actually work in this country or promote a fair and strong trade of American products or industry?

THAT is the question of the day.

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Originally posted by Justin La Plante:

How does any of that help people who actually work in this country or promote a fair and strong trade of American products or industry?

THAT is the question of the day.

Short term, yeah it's a bad scenario for the working american. Long term, it will balance out as foreign countries become more industrialized. What happens as the quality of life improves in places like China? The cost of labor will rise. Also rising is the cost of transporting the cheap products.

The "regime" doesn't send our jobs overseas. The consumer demands lower prices, the corporations make the necessary moves to be the cheapest. Individual responsibility to "buy American" is the antidote to "regime" incentives (tax breaks) to accommodate cheaper foreign manufacturing.

But again, the sky isn't falling.

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Originally posted by canon_photo:
The "regime" doesn't send our jobs overseas. The consumer demands lower prices, the corporations make the necessary moves to be the cheapest. Individual responsibility to "buy American" is the antidote to "regime" incentives (tax breaks) to accommodate cheaper foreign manufacturing.

The growth of Wal*Mart's market share is largely to blame. They have helped push companies to shift their production overseas where they can make it for next to nothing.

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Originally posted by canon_photo:

The "regime" doesn't send our jobs overseas. The consumer demands lower prices, the corporations make the necessary moves to be the cheapest. Individual responsibility to "buy American" is the antidote to "regime" incentives (tax breaks) to accommodate cheaper foreign manufacturing.

But again, the sky isn't falling.

China would not have gained the access they have to our market now if it were not for Bush sending half whit trade officials to offer easier shipping deals or hand over free oil to N. Korea as a bribe for not building nukes (which they still do anyway).
These deals have not been a two way street either.
If anything it is now harder for us to export to these markets anything but basic goods that we require more in this country.
We should be in control of end products (Electronics, component products) like the asian markets but they have those on lock down.
We are more then capable of making circuit boards a lot cheaper and even over powering to beigin an export of them but that would take new investment and middle managers willing to develop as aposed to just sitting on their butts and collecting.
Surprise, surprise, we just don't have that in america anymore.

You can not convince Americans to shift their consumer faith either.
That is a catch-22 of free trade.
You have to provide a better product trade incentive because corporations do not have the morals or the spine to act in the national interest.
No matter how many tax kick backs the Republicans want to hand the upper class, that money never flows back the way they would like it to and it does not flow into investmet or development either.
History has proven that.
On the other hand The left wing wants to limit trade based on moral preferences for how the countrys we deal with treat their labor.
But history has proven that that doesn't matter to the American consumer one bit either.

It isn't in how much the people consue or make, it is in how the economy can sustain itself and develop over time.

Our greatest sin is that we have always wanted more now and thought nothing of what comes latter.

So the incentive has to come from trade based on our economic strength alone.
Thats how the euro is able to make gains on our dollar and will soon pass it along with the Canadian.

They don't have ANY market center that operates on heavy national resources either.
They just happen to be doing better buisness and development of their domestic trade structure is dacades ahead of ours.

Did you see the sec of the treasury on the today show this morning?
He had on gobs of make-up and it looked like someone had him proped up with a led pipe.
Those eyes were glassy and stressed. No one in America wants to be that man.
Every time they talked about the J.P. Morgan
fire buy of Bear he dodged it like a pluage.
A FIRE SALE AMONG OUR LARGEST TRADE FIRMS!!
If that isn't a sure sign that we are about to take a dive then i don't know what is.
A huge chunk of the sky just got undersold.
The Bush cabinet is STILL trying to get us into lending and putting us on MORE credit.
THAT is their grand plan for economic rescue.

Meanwhile IRAN is stepping in to offer aid to Iraq and the Iraqis are more then ready to take it
HA!!!
Which means weather we leave Iraq now or latter, what ever we have done there is going to prove no better then what we got out of any other "police action".
History repeats yet again.
If we left NOW, we could recover with the post-war economic boom.
Gas prices wouldn't be any different but at least we could gain on our interest and develop all this lending bush wants until we can boot him and get some real economic management going.

Another problem with how we do buisness is that it stagnates advancement of products and services.
Because the asian tech providers only work from western designs and western consumers expect so little.
New products take years to develop or sell compared to decades ago.
The companies selling can produce low cost and under developed products for as long a sthey want and the majority is happy.
Companies like Mocrosoft and Apple sit on some very advanced products for years before they sned them for sale to the public because it defends their profit margin in the long run.

No one thinks about a car that gets 50mpg when they can get one that gets 30mpg but has an LCD screen thrown in!

No one cares that home power units exist and can run on hydro gas engines when they can get a cheap knock-off futon at wal mart for $60.
To the majority THAT is a miracle of their buying power.

Botom line:
The American consumer is more interested in fish sticks then ever being able to fish.