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Originally posted by ANTIGOV:
What is the probable cause to Drug Test Our Kids.? It Shouldn't be allowed. I know they do these types of test on kids that are in Sports, that I can understand, But The Whole School? No! It is a violation of the 4th Amendment and for those who care so is the Wiretapping....
The 4th Amendment says this..

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Before you know it they'll be coming to our Homes wanting Random Drug Test from American Citizens.. What do you think of that? Well believe it or not it is coming to that. Our City Streets are being monitored and NOT solely for watching Criminals. But if you want to believe what they are telling you go for it.

Either way Drug testing, Survalence of Citizens, Wiretapping, It Violates the 4th amendment...

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Originally posted by Kayla G:
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...EWS01/603100393/1008


I think what the principal did was perfectly ok. Kids should be checked regularly for these kind of things, that way we don't have as many problems! In fact, Jefferson County Schools are going to start doing random drug tests on kids. Is THAT violating the Fourth Amendment? What are YOUR thoughts?

Uh huh...Sure.. Anyway. Like we ever had those rights in the first place?

No, see you do have these rights. You seem to think you don't have these rights because you have obviously never expressed your Rights. I was at a point in my life like that once and then one day some of those rights were taken away because I was hangin with the wrong crowd and well, the rest don't matter.
The point is You do have these rights. And quite frankly, They are taken for granet untill they're gone. And I have had discussions over this matter and people have called me NUTS.. The Facts are this You Do Have these rights and they are slowly being taken away.
The 4th amendment is plainly being voilated... They have no right to walk into a class room and eeny, minni, miney, moe lets go it's time to be tested. They can't do that... It is an illegal Search and Seizer.. Period.

~~God Bless~~

You may have a point, but I haveexpressed my rights, and it is notillegal for them to drug test kids. I don't see what the big deal is for ya'll... It's keeping your child safe, and other kids too. Sometimes you just have to do what is best for the school district as a whole, not just what pleases one certain person.

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Originally posted by Kayla G:
You may have a point, but I haveexpressed my rights, and it is notillegal for them to drug test kids. I don't see what the big deal is for ya'll... It's keeping your child safe, and other kids too. Sometimes you just have to do what is best for the school district as a whole, not just what pleases one certain person.

What you have expressed is your opinion, not your rights. Surely by now you have had a government course. Read our country's "Bill of Rights". You'll find that we do indeed have certain inalienable rights that are being diluted and essentially revoked by lawmakers & judges. So few people these days seem to care that it's a bit scary.

Furthermore, when you are a parent, Kayla, you will probably be more sympathetic with the responsible parents who do not turn over the raising of their children to the schools. It's a slippery slope (and we're pretty far down it) to give control of our children's hearts & minds to the "experts" who control our schools. Keep in mind, Nazi,Communist & radical Islamist governments took control of the schools. Look what happened to the children/culture. It is the responsibility of parents to develop their children's character. The schools should re-enforce parent's efforts, teach facts-reading, writing, arithmetic, how our government/country was founded and works, geography, etc.

Yes, providing a safe environment is essential to the school's mission. However, such a controversial mandate on random drug testing requires serious consideration. I actually doubt such a policy would stem drug use by students nor create a 'safe environment'.

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Originally posted by Abuela:
What you have expressed is your opinion, not your rights. Surely by now you have had a government course. Read our country's "Bill of Rights".

I have. Thank you.

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Furthermore, when you are a parent, Kayla,

I do believe you mean since?

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you will probably be more sympathetic with the responsible parents who do not turn over the raising of their children to the schools. It's a slippery slope (and we're pretty far down it) to give control of our children's hearts & minds to the "experts" who control our schools. Keep in mind, Nazi,Communist & radical Islamist governments took control of the schools. Look what happened to the children/culture. It is the responsibility of parents to develop their children's character. The schools should re-enforce parent's efforts, teach facts-reading, writing, arithmetic, how our government/country was founded and works, geography, etc.

I have respect for their opinions and getting upset, but it's for the safety of all the kids in the schools.And what the heck does the Nazi's have to do with anything? They are treating them unfair, it's a precaution.

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Yes, providing a safe environment is essential to the school's mission. However, such a controversial mandate on random drug testing requires serious consideration. I actually doubt such a policy would stem drug use by students nor create a 'safe environment'.

*shrugs* On yet another topic we are going to have to agree to disagree.